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		<title>Why is many-worlds winning the foundations debate?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost every time the foundations of quantum theory are mentioned in another science blog, the comments contain a lot of debate about many-worlds. I find it kind of depressing the extent to which many people are happy to jump on board with this interpretation without asking too many questions. In fact, it is almost as [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/04/03/play-the-quantum-lottery/">Almost</a> <a href="http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/02/26/quantum-mechanics-and-tomb-raider/">every</a> <a href="http://scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=218">time</a> the foundations of quantum theory are mentioned in another science blog, the comments contain a lot of debate about many-worlds.  I find it kind of depressing the extent to which many people are happy to jump on board with this interpretation without asking too many questions.  In fact, it is almost as depressing as the fact that Copenhagen has been the dominant interpretation for so long, despite the fact that most of Bohr&#8217;s writings on the subject are pretty much incoherent.</p>
<p>Well, this year is the <a href="http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Events/Many_Worlds_at_50/Many_Worlds_at_50/">50th anniversary of Everett&#8217;s paper</a>, so perhaps it is appropriate to lay out exactly why I find the claims of many-worlds so unbelievable.</p>
<p><strong>WARNING: The following rant contains Philosophy!</strong></p>
<p>Traditionally, philosophers have made a distinction between <em>analytic</em> and <em>synthetic</em> truths.  Analytic truths are those things that you can prove to be true by deduction alone.  They are necessary truths and essentially they are just the tautologies of classical logic, e.g. either this is a blog post or this is not a blog post.   On the other hand, synthetic truths are things we could imagine to have been another way, or things that we need to make some observation of the world in order to confirm or deny, e.g. Matt Leifer has never written a blog post about his pet cat.</p>
<p>Perhaps <em>the</em> central problem of the philosophy of science is whether the correctness of the scientific method is an analytic or a synthetic truth.  Of course this depends a lot on how exactly you decide to define the scientific method, which is a topic of considerable controversy in itself.  However, it&#8217;s pretty clear that the principle of induction is not an analytic truth, and even if you are a falsificationist you have to admit that it has some role in science, i.e. if a single experiment contradicts the predictions of a dominant theory then you call it an anomaly rather than a falsification.  Of the other alternatives, if you&#8217;re a radical Kuhnian then you&#8217;re probably not reading this blog, since you are busy writing incoherent postmodern junk to write for a sociology journal.  If you are a follower of Feyerabend then you are a conflicted soul and I sympathize.  Anyway, back to the plot for people who do believe that induction has some role to play in science.</p>
<p>Kant&#8217;s resolution to this dilemma was to divide the synthetic truths into two categories, the <em>a priori</em> truths and the rest (I don&#8217;t know a good name for non-a priori synthetic truths).  The a priori synthetic truths are things that cannot be directly deduced, but are nevertheless so basic to our functioning as beings living in this world that we <em>must</em> assume them to be true, i.e. it would be impossible to make any sense of the world without them.  For example, we might decide that the fact that the universe is regular enough to perform approximately repeatable scientific experiments and to draw reliable inferences from them should be in the category of a priori truths.  This seems reasonable because it is pretty hard to imagine that any kind of intelligent life could exist in a universe where the laws of physics were in continual flux.</p>
<p>One problem with this notion is that we can&#8217;t know a priori exactly what the a priori truths are.  We can write down a list of what we currently <em>believe</em> to be a priori truths &#8211; our <em>assumed</em> a priori truths &#8211; but this is open to revision if we find that we can in fact still make sense of the world when we discard some of these assumed truths.  The most famous example of this comes from Kant himself, who assumed that the way our senses are hooked up meant that we must describe the world in terms of events happening in space and time, implicitly assuming a Euclidean geometry.  As we now know, the world still makes sense if we drop the Euclidean assumption, unifying space and time and working with much more general geometries.  Still, even in relativity we have the concept of events occurring at spacetime locations as a fundamental primitive.  If you like, you can modify Kant&#8217;s position to take this as the fundamental a priori truth, and explain that he was simply misled by the synthetic fact that our spacetime is approximately flat on ordinary length scales.</p>
<p>At this point, it is useful to introduce Quine&#8217;s pudding-bowl analogy for the structure of knowledge (I can&#8217;t remember what kind of bowl Quine actually used, but he&#8217;s making pudding as far as we are concerned).  If you make a small chip at the top of a pudding bowl, then you won&#8217;t have any problem making pudding with it and the chip can easily be fixed up.  On the other hand, if you make a hole near the bottom then you will have a sticky mess in the oven.  It will take some considerable surgery to fix up the bowl and you are likely to consider just throwing out the bowl and sitting down at the pottery wheel to build a new one.   The moral of the story is that we should be more skeptical of changes in the structure of our knowledge that seem to undermine assumptions that we think are fundamental.  We need to have very good reasons to make such changes, because it is clear that there is a lot of work to be done in order to reconstruct all the dependent knowledge further up the bowl that we rely on every day.  The point is not that we should never make such changes &#8211; just that we should be careful to ensure that there isn&#8217;t an equally good explanation that doesn&#8217;t require making such as drastic change.</p>
<p><strong>Aside:  A</strong>lthough Quine has in mind a hierarchical structure for knowledge &#8211; the parts of the pudding bowl near the bottom are the foundation that supports the rest of the bowl &#8211; I don&#8217;t think this is strictly necessary.  We just need to believe that some areas of knowledge have higher connectivity than others, i.e. more other important things that depend on them.  It would work equally well if you think knowledge is stuctured like a power-law graph for example.</p>
<p>The Quinian argument is often levelled against proposed interpretations of quantum theory, e.g. the idea that quantum theory should be understood as requiring a fundamental revision of logic or probability theory rather than these being convenient mathematical formalisms that can coexist happily with their classical counterparts.  The point here is that it is bordering on the paradoxical for a scientific theory to entail changes to things on which the scientific method itself seems to depend, and we did use logical and statistical arguments to confirm quantum theory in the first place.  Thus, if we revise logic or probability then the theory seems to be &#8220;eating its own tail&#8221;.  This is not to say that this is an actual paradox, because it could be the case that when we reconstruct the entire edifice of knowledge according to the new logic or probability theory we will still find that we were right to believe quantum theory, but just mistaken about the reasons why we should believe it.  However, the whole exercise is question begging because if we allow changes to such basic things then why not make a more radical change and consider the whole space of possible logics or probability theories.  There are clearly some possible alternatives under which all hell breaks loose and we are seriously deluded about the validity of all our knowledge.  In other words, we&#8217;ve taken a sledgehammer to our pudding bowl and we can&#8217;t even make jelly (jello for North Ameican readers) any more.</p>
<p>At this point, you might be wondering whether a Quinian argument can be levelled against the revision of geometry implied by general relativity as well.  The difference is that we do have a good handle of what the space of possible alternative geometries looks like.  We can imagine writing down countless alternative theories in the language of differential geometry and figuring out what the world looks like according to them.  We can adopt the assumed a priori truth that the world is describable in terms of events in asome spacetime geometry and then we find the synthetic fact that general relativity is in accordance with our observations, while most of the other theories are not.  We did some significant damage close to the bottom of the bowl, but it turned out that we could fix it relatively easily.  There are still some fancy puddings &#8211; like the theory of quantum gravity (baked Alaska) &#8211; that we haven&#8217;t figured out how to make in the repaired bowl, but we can live without them most of the time.</p>
<p>Now, is there a Quinian argument to be made against the many-worlds interpretation?  I think so.  The idea is that when we apply the scientific method we assume we can do experiments which have actual definite outcomes.  These are the basic data from which we build a confirmation or refutation our theories.  Many-worlds says that this assumption is wrong, there are no fundamental definite outcomes &#8211; it just appears that way to us because we are all entangled up in the wavefunction of the universe.  This is a pretty dramatic assertion and it does seem to be bordering on the &#8220;theory eating its own tail&#8221; type of assertion.  We need to be pretty sure that there isn&#8217;t an equally good alternative explanation in which experiments really do have definite outcomes before accepting it.  Also, as with the case of revising logic or probability, we don&#8217;t have a good understanding of the space of possible theories in which experiments do not have definite outcomes.  I can think of one other theory of this type, namely a bizarre interpretation of classical probability theory in which all outcomes that are assigned nonzero probability occur in different universes, but two possible theories does not amount to much in the grand scheme of things.  The problem is that on dropping the assumption of definite outcomes, we have not replaced it with an adequate new assumed a priori truth.  That the world is describable by vectors in Hilbert space that evolve unitarily seems much to specific to be considered as a potential candidate.  Until we do come up with such an assumption, I can&#8217;t see why many-worlds is any less radical than proposing a revision of logic or probability theory.  Until then, I won&#8217;t be making any custard tarts in that particular pudding bowl myself.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[Terence Tao has an interesting post on why many-worlds quantum theory is like Tomb Raider.  I think it&#8217;s de Broglie-Bohm theory that is more like Tomb Raider though, as you can see from the comments. Related posts:Why is many-worlds winning the foundations debate? Universitas Magistrorum et Scholarium Why not von Neumann?


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.math.ucla.edu/~tao/">Terence Tao</a> has an <a href="http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/02/26/quantum-mechanics-and-tomb-raider">interesting post on why many-worlds quantum theory is like Tomb Raider</a>.  I think it&#8217;s de Broglie-Bohm theory that is more like Tomb Raider though, as you can see from the comments.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier, I promised some discussion of Andrew Steane&#8216;s new paper: Context, spactime loops, and the interpretation of quantum mechanics. Whilst it is impossible to summarize everything in the paper, I can give a short description of what I think are the most important points. Firstly, he does believe that the whole universe obeys the laws [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mattleifer.wordpress.com/2006/11/20/new-papers/">Earlier</a>, I promised some discussion of <a href="http://eve.physics.ox.ac.uk/Personal/steane/AMS.html">Andrew Steane</a>&#8216;s new paper: <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0611047">Context, spactime loops, and the interpretation of quantum mechanics</a>.  Whilst it is impossible to summarize everything in the paper, I can give a short description of what I think are the most important points.</p>
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<li>Firstly, he does believe that the whole universe obeys the laws of quantum mechanics, which are not required to be generalized.</li>
<li>Secondly, he does not think that Everett/Many-Worlds is a good way to go because it doesn&#8217;t give a well-defined rule for when we see one particular outcome of a measurement in one particular basis.</li>
<li>He believes that collapse is a real phenomenon and so the problem is to come up with a rule for assigning a basis in which the wavefunction collapses, as well as, roughly speaking, a spacetime location at which it occurs.</li>
<li>For now, he describes collapse as an unanalysed fundamenally stochastic process that achieves this, but he recognizes that it might be useful to come up with a more detailed mechanism by which this occurs.</li>
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<p>Steane&#8217;s problem therefore reduces to picking a basis and a spacetime location.  For the former, he uses the standard ideas from decoherence theory, i.e. the basis in which collapse occurs is the basis in which the reduced state of the system is diagonal.  However, the location of collapse is what is really interesting about the proposal, and makes it more interesting and more bizzare than most of the proposals I have seen so far.</p>
<p>Firstly, note that the process of collapse destroys the phase information between the system and the environment.  Therefore, if the environmental degrees of freedom could ever be gathered together and re-interacted with the system, then QM would predict interference effects that would not be present if a genuine collapse had occurred.   Since Steane believes in the universal validity of QM, he has to come up with a way of having a genuine collapse without getting into a contradiction with this possibility.</p>
<p>His first innovation is to assert that the collapse need not be associated to an exactly precise location in spacetime.  Instead, it can be a function of what is going on in a larger region of spacetime.  Presumably, for events that we would normally regard as &#8220;classical&#8221; this region is supposed to be rather small, but for coherent evolutions it could be quite large.</p>
<p>The rule is easiest to state for special cases, so for now we will assume that we are talking about particles with a discrete quantum degree of freedom, e.g. spin, but that the position and momentum can be treated classically.  Now, suppose we have 3 qubits and that they are in the state |000&gt; + e^i phi |111&gt;.  The state of the first two qubits is a density operator, diagonal in the basis {|00&gt;, |11&gt;}, with a probability 1/2 for each of the two states.  The phase e^i phi will only ever be detectable if  the third qubit re-interacts with the first two.  Whether or not this can happen is determined by the relative locations of the qubits, since the interaction Hamiltonias in nature are local.  Since we are treating position and momentum classically at the moment, there is a matter of fact about whether this will occur and Steane&#8217;s rule is simple:  if the qubits re-interact in the future then there is no collapse, but if they don&#8217;t then the then the first two qubits have collapsed into the state |00&gt; or the state |11&gt; with probability 1/2 for each one.</p>
<p>Things are going to get more complicated if we quantize the position and momentum, or indeed if we move to quantum field theory, since then we don&#8217;t have definite particle trajectories to work with.  It is not entirely clear to me whether Steane&#8217;s proposal can be made to work in the general case, and he does admit that further technical work is needed.  However, he still asserts that whether or not a system has collapsed at a given point is spacetime is in principle a function of its entire future, i.e. whether or not it will eventually re-interact with the environment it has decohered with respect to.</p>
<p>At this point, I want to highlight a bizzare physical prediction that can be made if you believe Steane&#8217;s point of view.  Really, it is metaphysics, since the experiment is not at all practical.  For starters, the fact that I experience myself being in a definite state rather than a superposition means that there are environmental degrees of freedom that I have interacted with in the past that have decohered me into a particular basis.  We can in principle imagine an omnipotent &#8220;Maxwell&#8217;s demon&#8221; type character, who can collect up every degree of freedom I have ever interacted with, bring it all together and reverse the evolution, eliminating me in the process.  Whilst this is impractical, there is nothing in principle to stop it happening if we believe that QM applies to the entire universe.  However, according to Steane, the very fact that I have a definite experience means that we can predict with certainty that no such interaction happens in the future.  If it did, there would be no basis for my definite experience at the moment.</p>
<p>Contrast this with a <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0107144">many-worlds account a la David Wallace</a>.  There, the entire global wavefunction still exists, and the fact that I experience the world in a particular basis is due to the fact that only certain special bases, the ones in which decoherence occurs, are capable of supporting systems complex enough to achieve conciousness.  There is nothing in this view to rule out the Maxwell&#8217;s demon conclusively, although we may note that he is very unlikely to be generated by a natural process due to the second law of thermodynamics.</p>
<p>Therefore, there is something comforting about Steane&#8217;s proposal.  If true, my very existence can be used to infer that I will never be wiped out by a Maxwell&#8217;s demon.  All we need to do to test the theory is to try and wipe out a conscious being by constructing such a demon, which is obviously impractical and also unethical.  Needless to say, there is something troubling about drawing such a strong metaphysical conclusion from quantum theory, which is why I still prefer the many-worlds account over Steane&#8217;s proposal at the moment.  (That&#8217;s not to say that I agree with the former either though.)</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[It appears that I haven&#8217;t had a good rant on this blog for some time, but I have been stimulated into doing so by some of the discussion following the Quantum Pontiff&#8216;s recent post about Bohmian Mechanics. I don&#8217;t want to talk about Bohm theory in particular, but to answer the following general question: Just [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that I haven&#8217;t had a good rant on this blog for some time, but I have been stimulated into doing so by some of the discussion following the <a href="http://dabacon.org/pontiff/">Quantum Pontiff</a>&#8216;s recent <a href="http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=1339">post about Bohmian Mechanics</a>.  I don&#8217;t want to talk about Bohm theory in particular, but to answer the following general question:</p>
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<li>Just what is the goal of studying the foundations of quantum mechanics?</li>
</ul>
<p>Before answering this question, note that its answer depends on whether you are approaching it as a physicist, mathematician, philosopher, or religious crank trying to seek justification for your outlandish worldview.  I&#8217;m approaching the question as a physicist and to a lesser extent as a mathematician, but philosophers may have legitimate alternative answers.  Since the current increase of interest in foundations is primarily amongst physicists and mathematicians, this seems like a natural viewpoint to take.</p>
<p>Let me begin by stating some common answers to the question:</p>
<p>1.  To provide an interpretation of quantum theory, consistent with all its possible predictions, but free of the conceptual problems associated with orthodox and Copenhagen interpretations.</p>
<p>2.  To discover a successor to quantum theory, consistent with the empirical facts known to date, but making new predictions in untested regimes as well as resolving the conceptual difficulties.</p>
<p>Now, let me give my proposed answer:</p>
<ul>
<li>To provide a clear path for the future development of physics, and possibly to take a few steps along that path.</li>
</ul>
<p>To me, this statement applies to the study of the foundations of any physical theory, not just quantum mechanics, and the success of the strategy has been born out in practice.  For example, consider thermodynamics.  The earliest complete statements of the principles of thermodynamics were in terms of heat engines.  If you wanted to apply the theory to some physical system, you first had to work out how to think of it as a kind of heat engine before you started.  This was often possible, but a rather unnatural thing to do in many cases.  The introduction of the concept of entropy eliminated the need to talk about heat engines and allowed the theory to be applied to virtually any macroscopic system.  Further, it facilitated the discovery of statistical mechanics.  The formulation in terms of entropy is formally mathematically equivalent to the earlier formulations, and thus it might be thought superfluous to requirements, but in hindsight it is abundantly clear that it was the best way of looking at things for the progress of physics.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s accept my answer to the foundational question for now and examine what becomes of the earlier answers.  I think it is clear that answer 2 is consistent with my proposal, and is a legitimate task for a physicist to undertake.  For those who wish to take that road, I wish you the best of luck.  On the other hand, answer 1 is problematic.</p>
<p>Earlier, I wrote a <a href="http://mattleifer.wordpress.com/2006/06/28/professional-jealousy/">post about criteria that a good interpretation should satisfy</a>.  Now I would like to take a step back from that and urge the banishment of the word interpretation entirely.  The problem with 1 is that it ring-fences the experimental predictions of quantum theory, so that the foundational debate has no impact on them at all.   This is the antithesis of the approach I advocate, since on my view foundational studies are supposed to feed back into improved practice of the theory.  I think that the separation of foundations and practice did serve a useful role in the historical development of quantum theory, since rapid progress required focussing attention on practical matters, and the time was not ripe for detailed foundational investigations.  For one thing, experiments that probe the weirder aspects of quantum theory were not possible until the last couple of decades.  It can also serve a useful role for a subsection of the philosophy community, who may wish to focus on interpretation without having to keep track of modern developments in the physics.  However, the view is simply a hangover from an earlier age, and should be abandoned as quickly as possible.  It is a debate that can never be resolved, since how can physicists be convinced to adopt one interpretation over another if it makes no difference at all to how they understand the phenomenology of the theory?</p>
<p>On the other hand, if one looks closely it is evident that many &#8220;interpretations&#8221; that are supposedly of this type are not mere interpretations at all.  For example, although Bohmian Mechanics is equivalent to standard quantum theory in its predictions, it immediately suggests a generalization to a &#8220;nonequilibrium&#8221; hidden variable theory, which would make new predictions not possible within the standard theory.  Similar remarks can be made about other interpretations.  For example, many-worlds, despite not being a favorite of mine, does suggest that it is perfectly fine to apply standard quantum theory to the entire universe.  In Copenhagen this is not possible in any straightforward way, since there is always supposed to be a &#8220;classical&#8221; world out there at some level, which the state of the quantum system is referred to.  In short, the distinction between &#8220;the physics&#8221; and &#8220;the interpretation&#8221; often disappears on close inspection, so we are better off abandoning the word &#8220;interpretation&#8221; and instead viewing the project as providing alternatives frameworks for the future progress of physics.</p>
<p>Finally, the more observant amongst you will have noticed that I did not include &#8220;solving the measurement problem&#8221; as a possible major goal of quantum foundations, despite its frequent appearance in this context.  Deconstructing the measurement problem requires it&#8217;s own special rant, so I&#8217;m saving it for a future occasion.</p>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my &#8220;big list&#8221; has proved to be my most popular blog post to date, thanks in no small part to a mention over at <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2006/06/how_do_you_judge_an_interpreta.php">Uncertain Principles</a> and a <a href="http://phys.wordpress.com/2006/06/29/litmus-test-for-qm-interpretations/">n</a> <a href="http://realityconditions.blogspot.com/2006/06/quantum-links.html">u</a> <a href="http://scientiaestpotentia.blogspot.com/2006/07/geek-test.html">m</a>ber of other blogs. I know when I&#8217;m on to a good thing, so let&#8217;s stick with the topic for one more post.</p>
<p>The big news is that we have the first response to the criteria from an interpreter of quantum theory over at <a href="http://koantum.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/quantum-quandaries-challenge/">koantum matters</a>. I would love to see responses from advocates of other interpretations, not because I expect many surprises, but more because it would help me to improve the criteria. I&#8217;d like to know if interpreters interpret the criteria in the way I intended.</p>
<p>One of the reasons for engaging in a project like this is that I personally don&#8217;t find any of the contemporary interpretations all that compelling. Advocates are often fairly good at arguing their case, so it can be hard to express exactly why a given interpretation makes me uneasy. It is fairly clear that, rightly or wrongly, most of the physics community agrees with me on this, since otherwise there would not be such an emphasis on Copenhagen and Orthodox Dirac-von Neumann ideas in undergraduate quantum mechanics courses. Other interpretations are usually dealt with in one or two lectures at the end of a course, if they are mentioned at all.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the most likely way that the debate on interpretations can be closed is if one interpretation makes itself indespensible for understanding quantum theory. This could be because it leads to new physics, but alternatively it could just lead to a far better way of explaining the phenomena of quantum theory to both students and the general public.</p>
<p>A useful comparison here is to Einstein&#8217;s approach to special relativity. In fact, the postulates of quantum theory have been compared to Einstein&#8217;s postulates by a variety of authors (e.g. see <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9609002">here</a> and <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0205039">here</a>). Despite Einstein&#8217;s insights, the plain fact of the matter is that almost all of the predicitive content of special relativity is contained in the Lorentz transformations, and their extension to the Lorentz and Poincare groups. Especially when doing quantum field theory, special relativity is almost always reduced to just this in modern applications. We could then contemplate starting with a mathematical axiomatization of the Lorentz group and never bother to teach students about Einstein&#8217;s postulates at all. This is supposed to be analogous to the current situation in quantum theory, where we cannot derive the whole theory from postulates that are explicitly physical in nature, but are ultimately forced to thinking in terms of abstract Hilbert spaces and the like.</p>
<p>In my view, the main advantage of Einstein&#8217;s approach is that it leads directly to the main phenomena of the theory without having to posit the Lorentz transformations to begin with. For example, by considering Einstein&#8217;s train thought experiments, we can understand why there is length contraction, time dilation and relativity of simultanaeity directly from the postulates themselves. We would consider a student ill equipped to study relativity if these arguments were not understood before diving into the derivation of the Lorentz transofrmations. In my opinion, it is this that makes relativity more easily understandable than quantum theory.</p>
<p>Therefore, I would argue that to replace orthodoxy in the classroom, an interpretation will have to provide a direct route to some of the main phenomena of quantum theory, as well as facilitating an elegant route to the full mathematical formalism. If not, the interpretation is always likely to remain interesting to only a small band of specialists. Part of the aim of the criteria is to try and make interpreters think about these sort of issues, and that was in particular the point of the &#8220;principles&#8221; criterion.</p>
<p>Another aim, and perhaps the main one, is to try and move the debate about interpretations forward a little bit. Currently, interpretaions are usually understood as counterpoints to Copenhagen/Orthodoxy. That is, we first explain these ideas, then poke holes in them by discussing the measurement problem, and finally introduce a new interpretation that is supposed to fix the problem. However, we now know that Copenhagen/Orthodoxy is just a small corner in a large space of possibilities, and not necessarily the most convincing of the possibilities at that. Therefore, it seems silly to focus exclusively on these ideas as the starting point. However, once we recognise this, it becomes difficult to formulate the conceptual problems of quantum theory in an interpretationally neutral way, since the measurement problem cannot even be formulated precisely unless we have already taken some stand on the meaning of the wavefunction. Nevertheless, unease about interpretations persists, so the criteria are partly designed to give interpreters a hard time by identifying the weaknesses in their proposals in a more neutral way. This is problematic because there are a number of known issues that only seem to apply to particular interpretations, e.g. it would be nice if the criteria forced many-worlds advocates to discuss the basis problem and the meaning of probability, which may not have analogs in other interpretations. One way of doing this would be to introduce a series of if &#8230; then &#8230; clauses into the criteria, e.g. if you take an ontological view of the wavefunction then explain the Born rule. However, this is obviously very inelegant and it would be nicer to capture the problems with all interpretations in a short simple set of criteria that applies to every interpretation equally.</p>
<p>With this in mind, it should be clear that the current list is far from final, and I would welcome any ideas on how to improve it.</p>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As some of you know, my alter ego works on quantum information and computation (I&#8217;ll leave you to decide which of us is Clark Kent and which is Superman).  My foundations personality sometimes feels a twinge of professional jealousy and I&#8217;ll tell you why.</p>
<p>In quantum computation we have a set of criteria for evaluating proposed experimental implementations, known as the <a href="http://www.research.ibm.com/ss_computing/">diVincenzo criteria</a>.  These tell you what is required to implement the circuit model of quantum computation, and include things like the ability to prepare pure input states and the ability to perform a universal gate set.  Of course, you might choose to implement an alternative model of computation, such as the measurement based models, and then a different set of criteria are applicable.  Nevertheless, talks about proposed implementations often proceed by explaining how each of the criteria is to be met in turn.  This makes it very clear what the weak and strong points of the implementation are, since there are usually one or two criteria that present a significant experimental challenge.</p>
<p>In contrast, there is no universally accepted set of criteria that an interpretation of quantum mechanics is supposed to meet.  They are usually envisioned as attempts to solve the nefarious &#8220;measurement problem&#8221;, which is actually a catch-all term for a bunch of related difficulties to which different researchers attach different degrees of significance.  The question of exactly what an interpretation is supposed to <i>do</i> also varies according to where one is planning to apply it.  Is it supposed to explain the emergence of classical mechanics, help us understand why quantum computation works, give us some clues as to how to construct quantum gravity, or simply stand as a work of philosophical elegance?</p>
<p>It seems to me that the foundations community should have, by now, cracked their heads together and come up with a definitive list of issues on which an interpretation has to make a stand, before we are prepared to accept it as a viable contender.  Then, instead of reading lots of lengthy papers and spending a lot of time trying to work out exactly where the wool has been pulled out from under our eyes, we can simply send each new interpreter a form to fill in and be done with it.  Of course, this is bound to be slightly more subjective than the di Vincenzo criteria, but hopefully not by all that much.  For what it&#8217;s worth here is my attempt at the big list.</p>
<p>The first six criteria would probably be agreed upon by most people who think seriously about foundations.</p>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should have a well-defined ontology.
<ul>
<li>To begin with, you need to tell me which things are supposed to correspond to the stuff that actually exists in reality.  This can be some element of the quantum formalism, e.g. the state vector, something you have added to it, e.g. hidden variables, or something much more exotic, e.g. relations between things without any definite state for the things that are related, correlations without correlata etc.  This is all fine at this stage, but of course the more exotic possibilities are going to get into trouble with the later criteria.</li>
<li>At this stage, I am even prepared to allow you to say that only detector clicks exist in reality, so long as you are clear about this and are prepared to face the later challenges.</li>
<li>As a side note, some people might want to add that the interpretation should explicitly state whether the quantum state vector is ontological, i.e. corresponds to something in reality, or epistemic, i.e. something more like a probability distribution.  I am inclined to believe that if you have a clear ontology then it should also be clear what the answer to this question is without any need for further comment.  I am also inclined to believe that this fixation on the role of the state vector is an artifact of taking the Schroedinger picture deadly seriously, and ignoring other formalisms in which it plays a lesser role.  For instance, why don&#8217;t we ask whether operators or Wigner functions are ontological or epistemic instead?</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should not conflict with my direct everyday experience.
<ul>
<li>In everyday life, objects appear to be in one definite place and I have one unique conscious experience.  If you have adopted a bizarre ontology, wherein this is not the case at the quantum level, you have to explain why it appears that it is the case to me.  This is a particularly relevant question for relationalists, Everettistas and correlationalists of course.  It is also not the same thing as&#8230;</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should explain how classical mechanics emerges from quantum theory.
<ul>
<li>Why do systems exist that appear to have states represented by points in phase space, evolving according to the classical evolution equations?</li>
<li>Note that it is not enough to give some phase space description.  It must correspond to the description that we actually use to describe classical systems.</li>
<li>Some people might want to phrase this as &#8220;Why don&#8217;t we see macroscopic superpositions?&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not quite sure what it would mean to &#8220;see&#8221; a macroscopic superposition, and I think that this is the more general issue in any case.</li>
<li>Similarly, you may be bothered by the fact that I haven&#8217;t mentioned the &#8220;collapse of the wavefunction&#8221; or the &#8220;reduction of the wavevector&#8221;.  Your solution to that ought to be immediately apparent from combining your ontology with the answer to the present issue.</li>
<li>Some physicists seem to think that the whole question of interpretation can be boiled down to this one point, or that it is identical with the measurement problem.  I hope you are convinced that this is not the case by now.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should not conflict with any empirically established facts.
<ul>
<li>For example, I don&#8217;t mind if you believe that wavefunction collapse is a real physical process, but your theory should be compatible with all the systems that have been observed in superposition to date.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should provide a clear explanation of how it applies to the &#8220;no-go&#8221; theorems of Bell and Kochen Specker.
<ul>
<li>A simple answer would be to explain in what sense your interpretation is nonlocal and contextual.   If you claim locality or noncontextuality for your interpretation then you need to give a clear explanation of which other premises of the theorems are violated by your interpretation.  They <i>are</i> theorems, so some premise <i>must</i> be violated.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should be applicable to multiparticle systems in nonrelativistic quantum theory.
<ul>
<li>Some interpretations take the idea that the wavefunction is like a wave in real 3d space very seriously (the transactional interpretation comes to mind here).  Often such ideas can only be worked out in detail for a single particle.  However, the move to wavefunctions on multiparticle configuration space is very necessary and needs to be convincingly accomplished.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The next four criteria are things that I regard as important, but probably some people would not give them such great importance.</p>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should provide a clear explanation of the principles it stands upon.
<ul>
<li>For example, if you claim that your interpretation is minimal in some sense (as many-worlds and modal advocates often do) then you need to make clear what the minimality assumption is and derive the interpretation from it if possible.</li>
<li>If you claim that &#8220;quantum theory is about X&#8221; then a <i>full </i>derivation of quantum theory from axioms about the properties that X should satisfy would be nice.  Examples of X might be nonstandard logics, complimentarity, or information.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>No facticious sample spaces.
<ul>
<li>OK this is a bit of a personal bugbear of mine.  Some interpretations introduce classical sample spaces (over hidden variable states for instance) or generalizations of the notion of a sample space (as in consistent histories). Quantum theory is then thought of as being a sort of probability theory over these spaces.  Often, however, the &#8220;quantum states&#8221; on these sample spaces are a strict subset of the allowed measures on the sample space, and the question is why?</li>
<li>I allow the explanation to be dynamical, in analogy to statistical mechanics.  There we tend to see equilibrium distributions even though many other distributions are possible.  The dynamics ensures that &#8220;most&#8221; distributions tend to equilibrium ones.  Of course, this gets into the thorny issues of the foundations of statistical mechanics, but provided you can do at least as good a job as is done there I am OK with it.</li>
<li>I also allow a principle explanation, e.g. some sort of fundamental uncertainty principle.  However, unlike the standard uncertainty relations, you should actually be able to derive the set of allowed measures from the principle.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should not be ambiguous about whether it is consistent with the scientific method.
<ul>
<li>Some interpretations seem to undermine the very method that was used to discover quantum theory in the first place.  For example, we assumed that experiments really had outcomes and that it was OK to reason about the world using ordinary deductive logic.  If you deny any of these things then you need to explain why it was valid to use the scientific method to arrive at the theory in the first place.  How do you know that an even more radical revision of these concepts isn&#8217;t in order, perhaps one that could never be arrived at by empirical means?</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should take the great probability debate into account.
<ul>
<li>Quantum theory involves probabilities and some interpretations take a stand on the fundamental significance of these.  Is the interpretation consistent with all the major schools of thought on the foundations of probability (propensities, frequentism and subjectivism), at least as far as these are themselves consistent?  If not, you need to be clear on what notion of probability is actually needed and address the main arguments in the great probability debate.  Good luck, because you could spend a whole career just doing this.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The final three criteria are not strictly required for me to take your interpretation seriously, but addressing them would score you extra bonus points.</p>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should be consistent with relativistic quantum field theory and the standard model.
<ul>
<li>Obviously, you need to be consistent with the most fundamental theories of physics that we have at the moment.  However, the conceptual leap from nonrelativistic to relativistic physics is nontrivial and it has implications for ontology even if we forget about quantum theory.  Therefore, it is OK to just focus on the nonrelativistic case when developing an interpretation.  QFT might require significant changes to the ontology of your interpretation, and this is something that should be addressed eventually.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should suggest experiments that might exhibit departures from quantum theory.
<ul>
<li>It&#8217;s good to have something which can be tested in the lab.  Interpretations such as spontaneous collapse theories make predictions that depart from quantum theory and these should be investigated and tested.</li>
<li>However, even if your interpretation is entirely consistent with quantum theory, it might suggest novel ways in which the theory can be modified.  We should be constantly on the lookout for such things and test them wherever possible.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>An interpretation should address the phenomenology of quantum information theory.
<ul>
<li>This reflects my personal interests quite a bit, but I think it is a worthwhile thing to mention.  Several quantum protocols, such as teleportation, suggest a strong analogy between quantum states (even pure ones) and probability distributions.  If your interpretation makes light of this analogy, e.g. the state is treated ontologically, then it would be nice to have an explanation of why the analogy is so effective in deriving new results.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I returned this weekend from the meeting on Foundations of Probability and Physics at the University of Vaxjo in Sweden.  There were many interesting talks, so I&#39;ll just mention a few of them that I found particularly inspiring.</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.qubit.it/people/dariano/fr-dariano.html">Giacomo Mauro d&#39;Ariano</a> explained his <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0603011">axiomatization of quantum theory</a>, inspired by observations from quantum state and process tomography.  One of the nice features of this is that he gives an operational definition of the adjoint.  Why the observables of QM should form an algebra from an operational point of view has been a topic of recent debate amongst foundational people here at Perimeter, so this could be a piece of the puzzle.</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.ma.rhbnc.ac.uk/staff/rschack/">R&uuml;diger Schack</a> explained what it might mean for quantum randomness to be &quot;truly random&quot; from a Bayesian point of view, using the concept of &quot;inside information&quot; that he has developed with <a href="http://info.phys.unm.edu/~caves/">Carlton Caves</a>.</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/people/pgoyal.html">Philip Goyal</a> gave another axiomatization of quantum theory.  I&#39;m not sure whether the framework he uses is that well-motivated (especially the sneaky way that complex numbers are introduced).  On the other hand, one of his axioms has the flavor of an &quot;epistemic constraint&quot;, which gels nicely with ideas that have been expressed earlier by <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0205039">Chris Fuchs</a> and <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0401052">Rob Spekkens</a>.</p>
<p>- <a href="http://research.physics.uiuc.edu/QI/photonics/altepete.html">Joseph Altepeter</a> gave <a href="http://mattleifer.wordpress.com/2006/03/14/foundations-at-aps/">another</a> excellent talk about the state of the art Bell inequality experiments currently going on in Paul Kwiat&#39;s group.</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/">John Smolin</a> outlined <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0507287">speculative ideas</a> that he and <a href="http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/jono/">Jonathan Oppenheim</a> have developed that applies the concept of locking quantum information to solve the black hole information loss problem.&nbsp;</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was about time I got around to finishing my comments on Rovelli&#8217;s &#8220;Relational QM&#8221; programme. Relational QM (RQM) has a lot in common with the Everett/many-worlds interpretation, so it should be no surprise that it shares some of the same difficulties. In my opinion, the &#8220;basis problem&#8221; also applies to RQM, and [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was about time I got around to finishing my comments on Rovelli&#8217;s &#8220;Relational QM&#8221; programme.</p>
<p>Relational QM (RQM) has a lot in common with the Everett/many-worlds interpretation, so it should be no surprise that it shares some of the same difficulties. In my opinion, the &#8220;basis problem&#8221; also applies to RQM, and one cannot appeal to decoherence in order to solve it as one does in many-worlds. Before discussing this, let me summarize the main differences between RQM and many-worlds:</p>
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<li>In Everett, the state-vector of the universe is the full description of reality. It always evolves unitarily, but different observers can have different subjective impressions of reality depending on how they are described within this state.</li>
<li>In RQM there is no state-vector of the universe. State-vectors always describe the point of view that one subsystem has about another system. State vectors are therefore always subjective descriptions of reality.</li>
<li>In Everett, the concept of measurement is an emergent phenomenon that applies when a macroscopic system interacts with a microscopic one. The theory of decoherence is used to explain why measurement results appear to be stable.</li>
<li>In RQM, Rovelli states explicitly that he doesn&#8217;t want to treat microscopic systems any differently from microscopic ones. For example, if two electrons interact, then it is valid to think that one of the electrons acts as a measuring device on the other and vice versa. One description is valid from the point of view of one of the electrons and the other is valid from the point of view of the other electron.</li>
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<p>The appeal to decoherence in Everett is designed to address the &#8220;basis problem&#8221;, which arises due to the ambiguity over which baisis the states are decomposed in. For example, suppose two qubits start in the (unnormalized) state</p>
<p>(|0&gt; + |1&gt;)|0&gt;</p>
<p>and interact so that they end up in the state</p>
<p>|00&gt; + |11&gt; .</p>
<p>This is a typical example of a &#8220;measurement&#8221; interaction and we might want to say that the second qubit has measured whether the first qubit is in the state |0&gt; or |1&gt;. In Rovelli&#8217;s formulation, the state of the first qubit is definitely either |0&gt; or |1&gt;, relative to the second qubit, with 50/50 probabilities of each being the case.</p>
<p>However, we could equally well write the final state as</p>
<p>(|0&gt; + |1&gt;)(|0&gt; + |1&gt;) + (|0&gt; &#8211; |1&gt;)(|0&gt; &#8211; |1&gt;).</p>
<p>If the qubits are actually spin-1/2 particles and |0&gt; and |1&gt; are spin up and spin down in the Z-direction, then this is a decomposition of the state in the spin-X basis. Therefore, we might equally well say that the second qubit has measured whether the first qubit is in the state (|0&gt; + |1&gt;) or (|0&gt; &#8211; |1&gt;). In Rovelli&#8217;s formulation, we ought to be able to say that the first qubit is either in the state (|0&gt; + |1&gt;) or the state (|0&gt; &#8211; |1&gt;) with 50/50 probabilities.</p>
<p>Note that, this is not only an issue with the particular state |00&gt; + |11&gt;. Any bipartite state can be decomposed according to any basis for one subsystem, although the relative states of the other system will not generally be orthogonal.</p>
<p>I have seen no discussion of this issue from Rovelli. He seems to assume that there just is some natural basis in which to do the decomposition. I think the possible solutions are:</p>
<ul>
<li>Accept multiple descriptions: The state of one subsystem is not only relative to another subsystem, but it is also relative to an arbitrary basis choice. The problem with this is that it does not explain why our subjective experience is always according to one particular basis. I always feel like I am in one particular location, observing one particular thing, and I am incapable of regarding myself as being in a superposition of two locations, despite the fact that such a decomposition of the wavefunction almost certainly exists.</li>
<li>Stipulate a basis: For example, the position basis might be a natural choice, since it generically corresponds to our everyday subjective experience. The question then arises as to why this basis is chosen rather than some other. What is there within the formalism of QM that compells us to make this choice?</li>
<li>Appeal to decoherence: Decoherence theory usually supplies a &#8220;pointer basis&#8221; in which the results of measurement outcomes are almost exactly stable. This is the usual solution of the Everettians. However, if Rovelli takes this option then he has to back away from the position that microscopic systems are to be treated in exactly the same way as macroscopic one. It would no longer make sense to talk of a single electron acting as a measuring device.</li>
<li>Use the biorthogonal decomposition: Most bipartite states have a unique decomposition of the form \sum_j a_j | phi_j&gt; |psi_j&gt;, where &lt;phi_j | phi_k&gt; = \delta_{jk} and &lt;psi_j | psi_k &gt; = \delta_{jk}. We could simply stipulate that this basis is the correct one to do the decomposition in. This is the solution advocated in some variants of the modal interpretation. Problems include the fact that there are special states like the one above (admittedly they form a set of measure zero) for which the decomposition is not unique. Also, the biorthogonal basis does not always correspond exactly to our subjective experience, e.g. it may be close to, but not exactly equal to, the position basis.</li>
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<p>My impression is that none of these solutions would completely appeal to Rovelli, so it would be interesting to see what he says about the matter. However, if we combine this issue with the previous comments I made, then I have a hard time seeing how the Everettian/many-worlds ontology can really be avoided in this sort of approach.</p>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin Daumer, Detlef Duerr, Sheldon Goldstein, Tim Maudlin, Roderich Tumulka and Nino Zanghi, a collection of scholars noted for their advocacy or realist interpretations of quantum mechanics, and Bohmian mechanics in particular, have posted an <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0604173">article on quant-ph</a> that attacks the idea that quantum theory is &#8220;fundamentally about information&#8221;.  The article is a response to a <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7069/full/438743a.html">recent essay in Nature</a> by Anton Zeilinger, and is mainly a criticism of his particular viewpoint.</p>
<p>Most of their argument is based on the fact that interpretations like Bohmian mechanics offer a clear counterexample to various claims, such as that QM shows nature is fundamentally indeterministic and that the Bell and Kochen-Specker no-go theorems rule out realism.  I think this is all fair enough, and I agree that it is well worth taking the time to become  familiar with the Bohm interpretation if one is at all interested in foundations.  It is quite amazing how often it can be used as an example to clear up confusion and misunderstandings about what we can infer from QM.  On the other hand, this is a far cry from saying that Bohmian mechanics should be taken seriously as a description of reality.  There are several arguments against doing so, which would take too long to go into right now.  Perhaps I will do so in another post when I have more free time. </p>
<p>In any case, Zeilinger&#8217;s Nature essay seems a rather easy target to me.  It was a short article, and there was clearly not enough space for any detailed arguments.  Whether or not you think that Zeilinger in fact has any compelling arguments, there are many other contemporary approaches that also claim QM is about &#8220;information&#8221; in some sense, and it would be good to see a more in depth response to all of these from the realist camp.  Examples include the quantum Bayesianism of Caves, Fuchs and Schack; the axiomatic approach of Bub, Clifton and Halvorson; and Hardy&#8217;s axiomatics.</p>
<p>Those of you who are waiting for Rovellifest 2 &#8211; fear not, for it is coming within the next week or so.  For now, I feel like I need to write something on a topic I feel positive about, to aviod this blog descending into a sea of negative criticisms.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[Carlo Rovelli has recently put 3 papers on the arXiv, which have attracted some attention within the blogsphere (see here, here, here and here). The one that concerns us here at QQ is the paper about EPR in the relational approach to QM. I don&#39;t want to comment on the particular argument in that paper, [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/~rovelli/">Carlo Rovelli</a> has recently put 3 papers on the arXiv, which have attracted some attention within the blogsphere (see <a href="http://realityconditions.blogspot.com/2006/04/gravitons-from-lqg.html">here</a>, <a href="http://christinedantas.blogspot.com/2006/04/unfinished-revolution.html">here</a>, <a href="http://realityconditions.blogspot.com/2006/04/relational-quantum-mechanics.html">here</a> and <a href="http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/04/carlo-rovelli-and-graviton-propagator.html">here</a>).  The one that concerns us here at QQ is the paper about <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0604064">EPR in the relational approach to QM</a>.  I don&#39;t want to comment on the particular argument in that paper, which seems fine as far as it goes, but I do want to say a couple of things about Rovelli&#39;s approach in general, since it seems to be a popular topic at the moment.  The main ideas of the approach can be found in <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9609002">Rovelli&#39;s original paper.</a></p>
<p>Here is an (admittedly cartoonish) summary:</p>
<p>1.  We should shift attention from things like the measurement problem and instead try to derive QM from the idea that it is a theory of the information about one system that is available relative to other systems.</p>
<p>2.  Quantum states are not absolute concepts and the state of a system is only defined relative to some other reference systems.  Different reference systems do not have to agree on this state.  If they do come to agreement it is only after the reference systems themselves interact with each other according to some Hamiltonian.</p>
<p>3.  The question of whether a system has some particular property has no absolute meaning.  However, some property of a system <i>can</i> be well-defined relative to some other system, provided the systems happen to have interacted in such a way that the second system records the appropriate information about the first system.</p>
<p>4.  All the relational states just represent the subjective point of view that one system has about another.  There is no absolute meaning to such states and no meaningful &quot;wave-vector of the universe&quot; can be constructed because there is no external system for it to enter into relations with.</p>
<p>5.  This is all just a twist on the usual kind of relationalism that we have in other physical theories, e.g. special and general relativity.</p>
<p>In my opinion, there is a good deal wrong with relational QM as formulated by Rovelli, although I am not particularly opposed to relationalism in general.  In this post, I&#39;ll make some comments about 4 and 5.  A forthcoming &quot;Rovellifest 2&quot; post will point out a problem with 3, which I believe is more serious.</p>
<p>To address 5, it is worth noting a striking disanalogy between relational QM and other sorts of relational theories in physics.  For example, in Newtonian mechanics we are very used to the idea that  that there is no absolute meaning of the position of a particle A, but you can define its distance to a reference system B.  This is generally different from the distance of A relative to another reference system C.  Similarly, there is no absolute notion of when two events are simultaneous in special relativity, but this is well defined relative to any inertial reference frame.</p>
<p>However, in these cases it is always possible to find some transformation that relates the descriptions relative to different reference frames, provided you know the relations between the frames themselves, e.g. the Lorentz transformations in special relativity.</p>
<p>Now consider a quantum system composed of a subsystem A and two observers B and C.  Suppose both B and C separately interact with A, possibly measuring different observables on A.  Relative to B, A is supposed to have some definite property after this interaction and similarly for C.  However, you generally can&#39;t convert between B and C&#39;s description of the situation if you only know the state of B relative to C.  You can if they happened to measure the same observable, but that&#39;s a very special case.</p>
<p>In fact, the only way to relaibly convert between different observers relative states of the same system is to know the entire &quot;wave-vector of the universe&quot;, something that is meaningless for Rovelli due to 4.</p>
<p>So, it seems we are left with two options:</p>
<p>1. Add in a &quot;state of the universe&quot; so that one can reliably transform between different descriptions of the same subsystem.</p>
<p>2. Abandon the classical notion that one can reliably transform between different descriptions of the same system.</p>
<p>Adopting 1 would essentially entail accepting an Everettian/many-worlds type scenario, something that Rovelli is keen to distance himself from.   Therefore, I conclude that he must accept 2.</p>
<p>Abandoning reliable transformations is not a completely absurd thing to do, but it is important to note that this is a departure from what we usually mean by the term &quot;relational&quot;.  I am still not entirely convinced that it is consistent, although I haven&#39;t managed to think up a scenario where it would cause a problem yet.  My suspicion is that it might be attacked by a <a href="http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/resolve?id=doi:10.1086/378863">&quot;Wigner&#39;s Enemy&quot; type of argument</a> of the sort that was levelled against <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0205039">Chris Fuchs&#39; Bayesian approach</a> by Amit Hagar, which seems much more relevant to the relational approach than to its original target.</p>
<p>N.B. &quot;Wigner&#39;s Enemy&quot; is a new name I just thought up for the argument.&nbsp; I figure he must be an enemy rather than a friend because friends don&#39;t usually try to erase your memory.&nbsp;</p>


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